Wikipedia talk:Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/July 2024

Question thread

If anyone has any questions about the backlog drive, feel free to ask them here. (I'm mostly making this post simply to de-redlink the talk page.) -- asilvering (talk) 18:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I do have a question, actually. I'd like to participate, seeing as I'm relatively new to reviewing. How will we go about getting feedback from more experienced editors? Do they take a look at reviews at random, do we have to mention the experienced editors who have signed up, etc.? Thanks in advance! The Morrison Man (talk) 20:41, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Once the drive gets started and editors start claiming reviews, I'll put a list up on the main page of the drive so that experienced reviewers have an easier time finding the reviews that need a check. So, assuming that works (we haven't ever done a backlog drive quite like this before), you don't need to do anything. But if you want to set up a partner in advance, or if you want to get a specific reviewer to help you out, here are some ways you could find one:

• go through the normal process at WP:GAMENTOR
• make a thread on this talk page asking for help or for someone to check over your review
• send a ping or talk page message to a particular reviewer you'd like to ask for help (but please only do this if you have some prior indication that they're interested, so people aren't getting pings out of nowhere)

If you get really stuck, contact a co-ord and we'll try to sort it out. -- asilvering (talk) 02:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I'll just go ahead and post a placeholder list right now, no reason that needs to wait. -- asilvering (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know! The Morrison Man (talk) 11:09, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Probably a dumb question, but I began my fifth GA review recently but the nominator says he won't be able to get to it until 3 July; when it's wrapped up, will that count as a point for the drive or no? ThaesOfereode (talk) 12:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

If the review already started before 1 July, and you already left some comments there, then no, the GA review does not count. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 13:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, do quick fails receive any points or no? Also is it possible to put any articles “on hold” until the July 1st date? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:37, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

In previous backlogs, quick fails did receive 1 point if they were valid. I do not think that there is a definition on what a valid quick fail is, though. I might be wrong. If you've already started a GA review before 1 July, it won't be counted in the backlog. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:56, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. In your opinion, how would you deal with an article where the majority of the sources are primary, unreliable, or WP:QS? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:27, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d I would quickfail it. If there are simply many questionable sources, I personally would do a fuller review than a quickfail. But if it's a majority? No. That is "a long way from meeting the GA criteria", so explain your reasoning, quickfail it, and move on. -- asilvering (talk) 22:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Agree. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

To second that, yes, QFs are still reviews and still get points, provided that they are eligible in the first place - see the guidelines on minimum quality, constructive criticism, etc. You don't need to write an essay, but the nominator should be able to clearly understand what actions they need to take to get the article to resubmittable quality.

To take your "majority of sources are unreliable" example from below, if that's all you say, that's probably insufficient for the editor to understand, since we can presume that they believed the sources were reliable when they nominated the article. This is a quickfail I gave for an article that had that problem (among others). I was very brief, but I did give some pointers rather than just saying "unreliable", eg: Many of these sources are simply working off articles by other newsrooms; many articles I checked have no byline. In my opinion, this is about the minimum required. -- asilvering (talk) 22:57, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering, thank you for your detailed reply. I agree that a majority of low-quality sources should result in a quickfail. I intend to give the nominator a detailed rationale. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 23:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Hey is it too late to sign up? Kimikel (talk) 14:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

No, you can join at any point of time. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 14:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Asilvering@Vacant0, quick question: once a reviewer surpasses 5 reviews, are they reclassified as an “experienced” reviewer? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Experienced is 10+ (there's some space in between for "newish at this but probably doesn't need help"), but yes - anyone who gets up to 10+ reviews during the drive can assist newbie reviewers if they feel confident enough to do so. -- asilvering (talk) 02:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Legacy coord

I'm not able to join you in coordinating this drive, but please ping if I can answer questions or help out! (t · c) buidhe 04:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! -- asilvering (talk) 06:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Whoops

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations § Whoops

Matching new reviewers with mentors

The instructions don't actually specify the steps in between a new reviewer completing the review and the mentor agreeing to look over the review. It currently says If you have completed a review and want to close it, but no experienced reviewer has joined in, please post on this drive's talk page and say so, but that seems to imply there's a system for experienced reviewers to "join in" that doesn't exist, unless mentors find a new reviewer by chance. The instructions also sound like they're allowing but discouraging the use of WP:GANMENTOR for this drive. Are all new reviewers supposed to post to this talk page after finishing? If so, the instructions should say that explicitly. And even then, this doesn't give any guidance for mentors to find these reviews, let alone a way to make sure we don't have a bunch of new reviewers slipping through the cracks until the end of the drive. Also, when is the new reviewer expected to request a mentor? Before putting it on hold, or after the nominator has already responded to the new reviewer's comments? Thebiguglyalien (talk) 22:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien, the instructions are written that way because I was worried about overpowering the goodwill of the editors who had signed up for WP:GAMENTOR but had decided for whatever reason not to participate in the backlog drive. There is a list on the drive page for newbie editors to place links to their reviews if they haven't had any help from an experienced reviewer yet - it's just empty right now. I'll do another pass on the guidelines right now to try to clarify things, give me a moment. -- asilvering (talk) 23:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright, done. Do you think that's sufficiently clear? New reviewers won't (or shouldn't) be slipping through the cracks until the end of the drive because co-ordinators will be checking off reviews as they go. Regarding the when, that's up to the newbie reviewers - I assume that some reviewers will want help immediately and others won't want anything other than a check-over at the end. If that or anything else starts to present some glaring problems though, we should change it. -- asilvering (talk) 23:39, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Do I need to close a failed review for it to count?

I am a new reviewer. I failed a GA nomination (No Culpes a la Noche) and left it in the list to be reviewed by a more experienced reviewer; it was checked and removed it from the list. Is there anything else left to do? Jaguarnik (talk) 02:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Nope. It's all good. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

An update: the reviewer who assisted me received their point, but I haven't received that point. Jaguarnik (talk) 02:28, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

You do need to finish the review, yes. If the experienced reviewer gave you the all-clear, time to fail it (alas). This tool makes it easy. -- asilvering (talk) 07:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, nevermind, I see you did fail it, and the nominator just immediately renominated it. So yes, you're done. -- asilvering (talk) 08:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, another thing - it shows that I have completed 5+ reviews, but my first reviews ever were done in this GA backlog drive. There's some kind of error. Jaguarnik (talk) 16:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

It looks like you've been raising the number yourself? I'll put it back to 1 so you get the proper 2-point credit for your other reviews. -- asilvering (talk) 02:39, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

My mistake, I wasn't aware that reviews should be raised by coordinators. Thank you for your prompt response! Jaguarnik (talk) 02:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)