User talk:Firefangledfeathers

Contentious topics awareness notices (reviewed December 12, 2023)

Question from TriosLosDios (23:19, 17 April 2024)

Hello firefangledfeathers my awesome Mentor 🏆 I have a question. On Wikipedia location for Milton,Florida ... I wanted to update photo of new court house and new location of GPS coordinates and brand new building address physical location and address. However, I am unable to edit or update this info. I have attempted this several times in different ways. Also, I created a new Draft: Santa Rosa County Court House. However, that was denied as update for this information as well. Thanks for any assistance here TriosLosDios 😀 --TriosLosDios (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi TriosLosDios. Looks like you're trying to do a few good things and running into some common and understandable errors. The courthouse image you uploaded looks to have been copyrighted by the Florida government, and it should probably be deleted. While uploading, you said that it was published before 1929, but I'm reasonably sure that's mistaken. Let me know soon if you know something I don't, as deletion is probably imminent. If you are able to take your own image of the courthouse, I can help you get it into the right place.

Starting a brand new article is tough, and it's very common to have your first attempt rejected a few times. I'd encourage you to get more familiar with editing practices before you spend more time on your draft. If you'd rather focus on the draft, there's some good advice on Help:Your first article. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions and encouragement. TriosLosDios (talk) 04:05, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I sent you a message regarding a previous discussion.

Hello, Firefangledfeathers. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Omar Jabarin (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Omar Jabarin. I've seen your email and will try to get back to you in the next couple days. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:00, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers

Thanks a lot for listening. I am hoping to hear your input before I proceed with the situation. Omar Jabarin (talk) 00:48, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (05:53, 20 April 2024)

Hello ‪Firefangledfeathers‬, i'm iso user, so in iso, there is no any suggestion contribution section in app,, can you tell me how to do suggestion contribution from app --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 05:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Captain sparrow199. I tried a few different ways and was unable to access that feature using the iOS app. You may need to use your device's browser (e.g. Safari) to get to the homepage where the newcomer tasks are. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, after adding citation, can i remove "Multiple issues more citations needed" tag from article? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 08:49, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Maybe! If there are still many statements in the article that are unsourced, you should leave the tag. If there are just a few, you might remove that tag and individually tag the unsourced statements with Template:Citation needed, if those aren't already present. I would encourage you to WP:BEBOLD and trust your judgment, and be ready to talk with others if your de-tagging is undone. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Riddles42 (18:40, 20 April 2024)

Hello! And thanks for the welcome :) I was wondering how to know whether to mark something as a "minor edit" or not. --Riddles42 (talk) 18:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Riddles42! The best page to look at for an answer is H:MINOR. The short answer is that you never have to mark an edit minor, and it's only useful if your careful to use it for truly minor edits. If I'm just fixing an obvious typo or adding a wikilink, I'll sometimes use the minor tag. Even then, I often forget to do so. If you engage in some repetetive and rapid minor fixes, you might get someone reach out to you and ask you to check the box, but in most cases it'll bother very few people if you forget. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Courtesy note

Informing you about the SPI I just filed, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Souniel Yadav since it's outcome can influence at least 2 reports on WP:ARE one of which you are already handling. Thanks Srijanx22 (talk) 12:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

OJ Simpson: how should we treat his (almost certain) guilt now?

https://en.luquay.com/wiki/Talk:O._J._Simpson#How_should_we_treat_Simpson's_%E2%80%9Cculpability%E2%80%9D_in_the_murders;_neutral_or_adamant?

I have raised the discussion as to whether how we should reflect's Simpson's culpability for the "crime of the century", much like LHO is named "guilty". Discussions open here. 92.17.198.220 (talk) 21:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

The talk section is "How should we treat Simpson's “culpability” in the murders; neutral or adamant?" 92.17.198.220 (talk) 21:33, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Redir full protection for Where is Kate?

You're right, create protection doesn't seem to be the right protection level for that redirect... but I think the kerfuffle has died down after multiple discussions and everyone is OK living with the results. I don't think full protection is needed for the redirect--I'd check with The Anome to verify that, but I think create protection should have been removed after the closure at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 April 14#Where is Kate?. Not an urgent issue, as no one has edited the redirect in over two weeks. Jclemens (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jclemens: I've dropped it down to semi-protection,. and I'm willing to be persuaded to remove the protection entirely. I notice, however, that there still seems to be a non-trivial amount of traffic to the redirect, which was slowly tending to zero but has oddly ticked back upwards in the last couple of days: see [1] — The Anome (talk) 06:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

No objections from me. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:09, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Helper Wikibot (13:27, 25 April 2024)

Hello *Firefangledfeathers*. How can I protect an article from a text that looks like an advertisement? --Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Helper Wikibot. If you see some text that looks overly promotional, you are encouraged to be bold and reword or remove it. If an entire article consists of advertisement-like language, it may be eligible for speedy deletion (see WP:G11).

On another note: I highly recommend that you request a username change. Usernames that suggest you might be a bot are prohibited by the Wikipedia:Username policy. You can request a new name at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:33, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers Thank you for your help. Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:39, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers. Wikipedia:Username policy Can you help me change my username to "HelperWik25"? new name at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple Helper Wikibot (talk) 13:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Helper Wikibot, that name is available. At Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple, click on #5 "Click here to place your request." Put HelperWik25 right after "NEW=", and right after "REASON=" explain that you don't want a bot-like username. Click the blue "Publish changes" button, and then wait! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:48, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Cibus Mission (16:57, 30 April 2024)

Hi! Thank you for helping! My name is Denise and I am the Founder of the nonprofit Cibus Mission. I just want to write an article about our organization. We are a 501c3 nonprofit and have all our paperwork and website in order. We have been approved Google Ad Grant for a few months now. Can I just write the article or do I need to do something else before I can get started? Also how long does it take to get published? How long does it take for an update or edit to go through? thank you --Cibus Mission (talk) 16:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Denise. Before I get to your questions, I should tell you that you need to change your username. Our username policy does not allow for names of organizations/companies, as they can imply shared use and be overly promotional. Please head on over to Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple to request a new name. Let me know if you run into any issues. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for the fast reply, I figured out that I can't write the article about the organization because of conflict of interest. So, I guess that's that. I had no idea. I will ask around to see if anyone wants to write an article for us. Thankyou so much for your time! Have a good day :D I'll change my username later on today. Cibus Mission (talk) 17:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I knew you were going to be nice so I only gave the username template instead of a block. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

🤪 Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:59, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios on 2011 Uzbekistan Cup final (18:18, 30 April 2024)

Hello Firefangledfeathers 👋 ... If you don't mind I have a question. The page "2011 Uzbekistan Cup final" needs a reference added and also a citation. What's the process to accomplish this task ? Can you help please?

Thanks 😊 --TriosLosDios (talk) 18:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi TriosLosDios. Do you already have a source in mind, or are you looking for help in finding sources? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:20, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I do have several sources in mind to contribute to wherever needed to be applied. However, dont know how to add inline [1] ... next to paragraph example where citation to reference is to be applied. TriosLosDios (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Let's start with one at a time. If it's an online source, can you paste the url here? If not, could you give me a title and tell me the format (book, magazine, etc.)? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Re: page reference

I have added content now. Hope I applied correct process. The reference/citation used was from a specific website Fifa.com. Is this OK? TriosLosDios (talk) 19:25, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

A good start! I made some changes that you should check out. The next step is to add more information about the source. Using a template like Template:Cite web can help. Just the url, title, date, and website parameters would be enough. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Question from Chris Quiñonez (03:33, 4 May 2024)

Hola 👋 soy Chris Quiñonez, ¿ como publico una cita? --Chris Quiñonez (talk) 03:33, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Hola Chris Quiñonez! You may be asking about how to add a quote to an article (there's some info about that at our Manual of Style) or about how to add a citation to an article (see Help:Citations). Either way, I'd urge to you to write in English here if you're able. If you are mainly comfortable writing in Spanish, we could use your help at the Spanish Wikipedia.

(Esto se hizo usando Google Translate, así que lo siento si hay errores): Hola Chris Quiñonez! Quizás te preguntes cómo agregar una cita a un artículo (hay información al respecto en nuestro Manual de Estilo) o cómo agregar una cita a un artículo (ver Help:Citations). De cualquier manera, le recomiendo que escriba aquí en inglés si puede. Si principalmente se siente cómodo escribiendo en español, nos vendría bien su ayuda en la Wikipedia en español. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:53, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Krk1971 (15:28, 7 May 2024)

Hi there. Can you please advise on adding mentions for people that have been involved in projects that are on Wikipedia? For eg, a major civil engineering project that involved many different people eg client, main contractor, sub contractor, designers etc. Some of our projects are on Wikipedia but only the main contractors are credited, rather than including designers etc. I am able to provide links to verify our involvement. I look forward to hearing from you. --Krk1971 (talk) 15:28, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Krk1971. Wikipedia is a tertiary source, meaning we mainly function as a summary of what's been published in reliable, secondary sources. When deciding what information about a civil engineering project to include, we look to such secondary sources to find information and then use our editorial judgment to determine what makes it into the article. If secondary sources mention the sub-contractors, designers, etc., there's a good reason to add them to the article. If not, it's unlikely that a mention is warranted.

Since you mention "our projects", it's possible that some of the articles you're considering editing are ones with which you have a conflict of interest. If so, it's important that you read and adhere to our conflict of interest guideline. If you read it and have any questions, please let me know. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, I appreciate it 81.107.195.70 (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:ARE response

In the WP:ARE against me, user Cossde has now repeatedly accused me of WP:Votestacking which I believe are unwarranted. Since you have notified me of word limit, I'm unsure how to proceed. Am I allowed to respond? --- Petextrodon (talk) 17:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Petextrodon. In your section at AE, you should request a word limit extension. Think about how many words you think you'll need to respond and say something like "I'm requesting an extension of XXX additional words to respond to Cossde's statement." I may be able to consider such a request in half a day or so, but other responding admins might get to it sooner. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've done just that now. --- Petextrodon (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Granted. 105 is reasonable. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Turkish6

Hi Firefangledfeathers, thanks a lot for taking the time to try to help Turkish6 get on the right track. I'm afraid that I have far less patience than you do when dealing with this problem user, but I'll wait to see if they give a reasonable response before I do anything rash. Kiwipete (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey KP. You've been more on the front lines of this issue than I've been, so I'm not in a place to judge your patience! I do think it's worth giving them one more shot before we take a trip to ANI. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No queerphobia

Do you have a reference that supports someone who identifies as transgender making an unconscious choice to be that way? As written, the wording "being LGBT is a conscious choice" can be read differently. I agree with people having no control over their sexual feelings. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:01, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that being trans is a choice, conscious or unconscious. Various sources exist to address that myth. See, for example, this piece in Slate or this explainer from GLAAD.

(I'm using trans as an umbrella term here. I do think there's choice involved for some people in what terms you use to describe your gender and trans status.) Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:33, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the information =) I made a topic on the essay's talkpage about adding references to the points made if you are curious. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

AfD question from your mentee

Hello. You've been assigned to be my mentor. I wanted to get advice on Pledgie that I would like to put up for AfD. I'm not asking for permission, nor for you to join in the discussion. I don't need any help with WP:AFDHOWTO, but as I've recently joined, I want to know if I'm missing anything regarding the spirit of WP:GNG and to ask: Is AfD the right thing to do, or not?

Here's what I plan to open the AfD discussion with:

(I've recently joined Wiki). I'm unable to deorphan this article and upon closer inspection, the article doesn't seem to pass any of the points of WP:GNG. The sources are mainly self-published sources (WP:RSSELF), and the secondary sources are blog posts (possibly falling under WP:USERG), with the only news coverage being hyperlocal. Sources 1 and 2 are blog posts. Sources 3, 5, 7, and 8 are self-published blog posts (with source 3 being a Tweet). Source 4 is from KC Free Press, which seems to be a hyperlocal news organization (but I would say it's closer to a blog). Source 6 links to the topic's GitHub page. Sources 9 and 10 link to the home page to websites, so are not even sources for anything in the article.

BlueSharkLagoon (talk) 14:39, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi BlueSharkLagoon. As an AfD opener, that's looking pretty good. The main improvement would be to conduct your own search for GNG-compliant sources and mention in your comment if you didn't find any, or not enough. This is a critical part of the AfD process, and it's laid out at WP:BEFORE. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 00:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll research the topic before I run the AfD.

If you feel it appropriate, would you also be able to close the AfD I opened Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gladerberg, so I can reopen it as 'proposed deletion' instead? Based on what's posted, I don't think it would be necessary for it to be discussed and would waste community time (and I didn't know what 'proposed deletion' was before it was mentioned). BlueSharkLagoon (talk) 01:52, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Glad to hear it. I would recommend letting that AfD run its course. Looks like a discussion worth having, and it's likely that no community time will be wasted. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Hereditzimms (18:45, 12 May 2024)

Hello, how do I find an article I might want to edit and how would I cite a source once I do? --Hereditzimms (talk) 18:45, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hereditzimms. There are lots of good places to start. You could begin at your homepage, which can guide you toward topics you're interested in and suggest some edits for you. If you find a useful source to add to the article, there's guidance for how to cite it at Help:Citations. If you run into any issues, let me know! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:44, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy

Fire-colored feather

I saw your name in my watchlist, and it made me happy, so I am bringing you a little bit of a fire-colored feather. I hope you have a happy day. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for reaching out WAID! Your kind message caught me at time where it was much needed. Hope you're well. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm doing well. WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Hounding concerns

To avoid bothering ScottishFinnishRadish with another question about this topic area I was hoping it would be OK to ask you, as I have seen you had some activity at AE in regards to the topic area? If not, please say and I'll find someone else.

For a while I have been concerned that Kashmiri has been hounding me; they have had a habit of turning up at articles shortly after I make an edit, to revert me or argue against me, but I haven't had proof and arguably some of these could fall under "correct use of an editor's history".

However, that changed yesterday, when an hour after creation they nominated two pages I was using (Wikipedia:Move test page 1 and Wikipedia:Move test page 2) to test enhancements to the rmCloser script (rmCloserExpanded). I asked them to explain how they found them, and their explanation was routine monitoring of Wikipedia, after which they declined to explain further. As such, the only explanation I can see is that this routine monitoring consisted of tracking my contributions.

So long as this behavior was within ARBPIA it was tolerable, though unwelcome, but now that they have expanded it outside the topic area - and to areas of true triviality - it is no longer tolerable. However, I'm not sure how to deal with it; most of it occurred within ARBPIA, but the "smoking gun" occurred outside of it, so I'm not sure if AE would be the correct place, and I'm not certain AE wouldn't be an overreaction? I am hoping you can provide some guidance. BilledMammal (talk) 21:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Jokes on you, I watch this talk page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

I actually typed this out on your page, before deciding you deserved a break and moving it here - so much for that idea! BilledMammal (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi BilledMammal! Having just confronted the other editor, I think you have an opportunity here to take no action and see how things develop. If hounding continues and it stays mostly ARBPIA-related, I do think AE would be the spot, and that one bit of relevant non-ARBPIA evidence would still be useful. For the record, I'm speaking with my involved admin hat on here, having been in disputes with both you and K. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you; that sounds like a good idea, I will do that. BilledMammal (talk) 02:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help. Monotremes are always welcome here! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:15, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to start discussion for Rename or move for Hindutva to Hindutva Politics

I have reason s, can you start discussion? EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:12, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi EntrepreneurPedia. The instructions for what you're trying to do are at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. If you'd like assistance in getting through those steps, I'd be happy to help. If so, let me know, and please explain here what reasons you have for proposing the move. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/narendra-modi-concerns-muslims-bjp-logic-winnability-9336855/lite/ EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I must point out in the recent events Hindutva phrase is used in 90% in politics even shirt description of the current title says its more about politics than just Hindutva. EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:28, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

EntrepreneurPedia, could you write a couple sentences that make your points? Newcomers will come from other parts of Wikipedia to decide whether the title should change. What would you like them to read first? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 22:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I will write but the article is pretty good I got to know about Hinduva Politics from this article only, but I feel the Title is irrelevant. Ill write some points in few hours let me read some sources. And get myself on right track since I have no problem with content inside the article because its really informative. EntrepreneurPedia (talk) 22:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Fahim Ibn Malek (07:14, 24 May 2024)

give me something for editing --Fahim Ibn Malek (talk) 07:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Fahim Ibn Malek! I see from your userpage that you are from Bangladesh. Category:Bangladesh articles needing attention includes high-importance Bangladesh articles that need some improvement. For example, maybe you could help add sources to Geology of Bangladesh and improve its quality? Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:17, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (10:43, 24 May 2024)

Hello, Can you share some wiki tools, where i can check the authentication of article --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 10:43, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi Captain sparrow199. I'm not sure what you mean by "authentication of article", but it's possible you're referring to whether the content is verifiable and supported by reliable sources. One tool I like is User:Headbomb/unreliable, a script that helps distinguish generally reliable sources from generally unreliable ones. It's just a tool, and you still have to use your best judgment! I hope this helps answer your question, and please let know if I've misunderstood. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (10:49, 24 May 2024)

Hey, i got the article suggestion name "Richard Saunders (skeptic) " someone comment on advertised content, so can i remove the part, where i feel that this content is look like promotional --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 10:49, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi again Captain sparrow199. If you're able to rewrite content so that the tone is less promotional, that would be preferable to removal (see WP:PRESERVE). That said, if you think removal is the best way to address the issue, be bold and go for it; make sure to leave an informative edit summary explaining the reasons for your removals. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:27, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (06:45, 27 May 2024)

Hey Buddy, recently i created 2 article, can you tell me who will review the article? --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 06:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Hey again @Captain sparrow199. Newly created articles are reviewed by New Pages Patrollers, who review the queue of creations, add tags for improvement, and nominate articles for deletion if there's some issue with their notability. I can't say who exactly will review yours, but you'll get a notification when they are marked as reviewed. It can take some weeks/months, so please be patient. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for information Captain sparrow199 (talk) 01:25, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you so much Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:48, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, Captain sparrow199. Always happy to help. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Question from DeeTsameret (15:25, 31 May 2024)

Looking at the introductory paragraphs of the following:

https://en.luquay.com/wiki/David_Yellin_College_of_Education

It seems to me that the 3rd paragraph includes historical information that doesn't belong there. Can you suggest a college description that would be an appropriate model for this type of item? --DeeTsameret (talk) 15:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi DeeTsameret. As you may already know, since the paragraph you're referring to is focused on the Arab-Israeli conflict, you should not edit it directly (per the WP:ARBECR applied to that whole topic area). In general, I would say the major problem with that article is that it does not cite any sources. It's hard to know which aspects of history are integral to an understanding of the college. Only by finding and summarizing reliable sources could we decide what is or isn't worthy of inclusion. I might look to an article like Pomona College, a featured article, for broad guidance on what a high-quality college article looks like. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 15:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your guidance and suggestion, I will read the Pomona College article. I wasn't thinking of deleting the paragraph from the article, just moving it to the history section, because the past history of the Arab-Israeli conflict (War of Independence, and 1967 War) is not relevant to the general college description, correct? Is it a problem for me to move it down to the appropriate section?

DeeTsameret (talk) 15:47, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

You're welcome. It would indeed be a problem for you to move the paragraph or edit it directly in any way. If you see the current placement as a problem, you should start a talk page discussion requesting a specific edit to it (like moving it to the history section). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

WP:TRUMP - From your mentee, Svampesky

(I've changed my username from BlueSharkLagoon since we contacted because it was just three random words) Hey. I have noticed that Donald Trump has... a lot of articles. The talk page for Talk:Donald Trump even says or dozens of other places, as listed in {{Donald Trump series}}. Thanks!. The essay Wikipedia:Not every single thing Donald Trump does deserves an article talks about this specifically. I was considering moving the shortcut of WP:TRUMP from WikiProject Donald Trump to the essay I linked above. I'm not asking for permission, nor blessing. Would this be a disruptive edit that would cause drama? If so, please let me know and I won't do it. Currently, only 15 pages use the WP:TRUMP shortcut, so there wouldn't be much change. The essay is most often cited in deletion discussions about Trump-related articles, so it would help editors to quickly shortcut, to save time. Is it a bad idea for me to change the shortcut?Svampesky (talk) 16:02, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I do think it's likely to be challenged, and I would say generally that the culture here seems to prioritize WikiProjects over essays when it comes to shortcuts. If you try to change the shortcut target and that change is reverted, you could try WP:RfD for a wider discussion. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done I did a carefully worded edit summary too. I'll go ahead and change the links to the places that used the shortcut to WikiProject Donald Trump. Thanks! Svampesky (talk) 16:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm going through changing the link to the 15 previous uses (but preserving the text). What do I do when a page says this at the top: This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page., as it does on this page? I'm assuming that 'edit' is in the spirit of adding comments, not doing maintainence edits like fixing links. I allowed to edit this page? Svampesky (talk) 16:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

You should be fine to fix those links. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:38, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done. I've kept it all clean, so can be easily reverted if it is to be challenged. I'll make a note here to say again that my intention was to make discussions, such as deletion discussions, easier. Thanks for the advice! Svampesky (talk) 16:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem! Interested to see what happens next. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:53, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

At worst, it'll be a 'fake news and phoney witch hunt hoax' against me on some admin noticeboard. Trump is covered very uniquely on Wikipedia, so the reaction will be interesting. I think Trump supporters will want the shortcut to go to the WikiProject and the opponents will want it to go the the essay (but me changing it was not indicative of being on either side). The discussion yesterday about whether 'convicted felon' should be in the Donald Trump lede was interesting to read. Thanks again! Svampesky (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Follow-up question

Is what I did best practice? That is to act boldly, but make it easy to revert. If it is challenged, then have a discussion. The intention was to save community time by not initially opening up a discussion, but is this usually perceived as 'shoot first, ask questions later'? Svampesky (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

In most cases, we encourage editors to be bold and improve the project as they see fit (see the guideline Wikipedia:Be bold). Ease of reversion is definitely a factor, so I'd be more likely to discuss first if undoing the work would take more than a half hour or so. We urge a bit more caution when editing outside of articles, as you were, but that caution can just mean careful consideration. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 17:32, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay thank you. I opened it up on the talk page here, and listed the subsequent edits I made. (I used Special:Diff as I saw it being used on the admin noticeboard, I hope it isn't an admin tool that I wasn't supposed to use). Svampesky (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Reverted without any trumpets or fanfare. I'm not going to open up a discussion, as I don't think it's a big enough issue to even discuss. Svampesky (talk) 12:38, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I meant to say a few days ago, Svampesky, that this is a great attitude that will get you far here! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:35, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (11:49, 1 June 2024)

Hey, I'm thinking of starting a project related to unicorn companies in India. Please share your valuable feedback

here is source https://www.forbesindia.com/article/explainers/unicorns-india-list/85309/1 --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:49, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like an interesting project, Captain sparrow199. I don't have feedback for you yet, but I do have some advice:

1. Be careful about selecting only reliable sources: check out for ones that have received lots of prior discussion, and reach out to WP:RSN if you're unsure about a source's reliability
2. List of unicorn startup companies is a good place to start
3. If you're considering creating new articles, read WP:NCORP carefully, especially the criteria for what sources count toward notability

Hope this helps! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:30, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Not single "List of Unicorn startup companies", I'm planning to start individual company pages Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I assumed as much! I was suggesting starting with the list—since then the companies will at least have some coverage—and then branching out from there. Corporation articles are tough to write. Good luck! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

) sure, i'll start with list page. thank you so much

Captain sparrow199 (talk) 11:24, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Suspected Sockpuppet

Hello @Firefangledfeathers. I hope you are doing well. I am sure you know by now that user @35.141.142.199 has been consistently targeting me for errors that I have made months ago. A few days ago, a fresh account with zero edits created five hours ago at the time named @Proposer of Solutions pinged me on IP 35's talk page, claiming that I was "wrong", and that they are on IP 35's side. A day later, this account replied to your comment that told IP 35 to get therapy saying they have evidence that IP 35 is right, which was just IP 35's threatening message that he sent me. Today, this same account added a new topic on my talk page, demanding that I stop accusing IP 35 of personally attacking me, even though IP 35 is evidently bullying me and continues to despite knowing that this is not allowed and promising to stop. They later claim that the unconstructive good faith edits that I made are part of my "digital footprint" and that they will come back and bite me. This is just unacceptable. IP 35 is going out of their way to damage my public reputation and has resorted to making false claims, personally attacking me, and making an alternate account with an official looking name all just to humiliate me. Please do something to resolve these disputes. Thank you. ItsCheck (talk) 03:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi ItsCheck. The sock account has been blocked indefinitely and the IP temporarily. I am sorry that the soft approach I was pursuing was unsuccessful, and not blocking earlier meant continued harassment for you. Please ping if disruption continues. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (11:06, 5 June 2024)

Hello Firefangledfeathers. Good day to you my mentor.

I have a question and a favor. I hope you can HELP me. My questions is about editing or adding citations, sources or references (I'm confused which is which here); I need a wee bit more instruction or redirection with this subject.

OK, now for a much needed favor. I was practicing my very first ever "Practice Article" within sandbox and ... I'm NOT sure what happened. The 'Article' that I started in my sandbox is Re: Census of Scotland or 1891 Census of Scotland ... Is there any way you can see what went wrong or what happened ?

P.S. I started getting notifications within my practice Article about Templates & adding sources ... etc. As far as I'm aware I added a reference ... but to be honest the Template notification was a surprise 😮

Thanks, TriosLosDios --TriosLosDios (talk) 11:06, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Good day to you too, TriosLosDios. We use "sources" for all the books, news articles, academic papers, videos, tweets, etc. that we use to get encyclopedic info. When we summarize info from one of those sources, we need to inform the reader where that info came from. Generally, we recommend that you do so with a "citation", which usually shows up as a little superscript number after the text it supports, like this. The information about the source that you get to by clicking the number (e.g. author, publisher, date) is sometimes also called the "reference", and they generally show up in a section called "References". Sometimes, rather than placing an inline citation, one immediately adjacent to the text it supports, we add sources used to a list of general references. Readers will know that the sources in this list were used to build the article, but they won't know which bit of text corresponds with which source. I'd say the new culture here is to avoid that style, and it's not permitted in our highest-quality articles. I recommend reading Wikipedia:Citing sources for guidance on how to add citations. Hope this is clear enough, and please let me know if you have clarifying questions.

It looks like you created two articles this morning (in mainspace, not in a sandbox): one called "Census of Scotland" and one (with a typo) called "Cesnsus of Scotland". The first was draftified by a new page reviewer and is now at Draft:Census of Scotland. The second was moved to the corrected "Census of Scotland" and then moved again so it's now at 1891 Census of Scotland. If

I think the templates you are referring to were Template:Refimprove and Template:Unreferenced. As the 1891 census article currently stands, the Refimprove template would be a good fit, but the Unreferenced template should probably be removed. More citations are needed, as we generally want articles to lean on more than just one source. Since you added the NRS source, it's not true that the article is entirely unreferenced. I'd recommend starting a talk page discussion and pinging the person who added that tag.

Also, I'm making some changes to the citation and reference section in that article. Hope you follow along. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:13, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (01:53, 7 June 2024)

I'm writing a piece for The Signpost about the deleted article Kalloor. Admins can see deleted pages, but I can't. Can you give me confirmation on the date the article was originally created, as there are two different sources which differ? If you reply in this thread, I can notify the copyeditors. Thanks. --Svampesky (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Svampesky. The article was created on 31 August 2005. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 01:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That was quick! Thank you very much. Svampesky (talk) 02:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

No problem! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Re: Restriction

I don't agree with your assessment, but I've deleted my comment. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:01, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

The user who posed that rather strange question might bear watching. As to pronouns, it's whatever someone wants to use, and it's about politeness. If you watch Jeopardy!, there's a trans woman named Amy Schneider who prefers she, and there's a gay woman named Mattea Roach who prefers they. The host, Ken Jennings, when speaking of them in the third person, refers to them by their preferred pronouns. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:14, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I knew about Schneider, but Roach is new to me. No great surprise that Jennings handled it well. Thanks for the brief discussion, and thanks for erring on the side of caution. I'd prefer not to discuss this with you further, since my belief is that this sort of discussion is proscribed by your TBAN. I hope you understand, even if you disagree, and I'd be happy to talk to you about literally anything else! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

You could just delete this entire conversation if you want. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:45, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

And it turns out my suspicions about that user were correct. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:04, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't have a good radar for that LTA yet! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:12, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't either, but there just seemed to be something "off" about his contribs. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:32, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (01:51, 8 June 2024)

Hello again my Amazing Mentor Firefangledfeathers. Again I have several questions for you. I am drafting a 'practice article' Re: Blackwater Heritage State Trail in my sandbox. My question here is am I doing the process of creating an article correctly this way ?

Also, can you look at my new draft maybe to see if I have followed your previous suggestions in an appropriate manner ?

I'm not completely lost here only beside myself trying to learn and implement a better writing skill and refreshing qualities I already know & enjoy. Thank you again for your mentorship. --TriosLosDios (talk) 01:51, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a good start! A few notes:

1. The draft/article will be much stronger if you can find more reliable sources. There's no rule against having just one, but a basic guideline is that three really good sources make for a solid article. I searched a bit and ran into an issue where most of the books I could find on it are travel guides or trail guides, which don't tend to be the most reliable or in-depth. I may have time soon for a newspapers.com search and I'll send stuff over if I find any.
2. Try your best to turn that one source into an inline citation, using the guidance at H:CITE or that series of edits I did on your other draft/article. Let me know if you run into any trouble.
3. The draft needs some copy edits, as all drafts do! If you find that the wordsmithing/grammar/spelling aren't your strong suits, you can ask for help from the Guild of Copy Editors. They only take requests for published articles, so this would have to wait until you're done drafting and the article is in mainspace.
4. You can make talk pages for userpace drafts, but chances are no one will see or respond to them. I wouldn't recommend it. The question you asked there is best answered by yourself, with some searching, or by the friendly folks at the WP:TEAHOUSE.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 02:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, again my cherished Mentor ! You are a fantastic guide for WP . TriosLosDios (talk) 09:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Aww, thanks TriosLosDios! I found at least one newspaper source. I've formatted the citation using Template:Cite news, and you can copy and paste the wikicode if you edit this page.

Roberts, Mike (October 24, 2017). "Right This Way". Pensacola News Journal. pp. 1C, 2C – via Newspapers.com. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:30, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

re: Phillip Jeong article

After I composed Phillip Jeong article, I asked for copy editing at Wikipedia:Teahouse. An editor left a Notability tag on the article, and I left a message on the Phillip Jeong talk page and the editor's talk page to address his questions; User talk:Theroadislong#re: Phillip Jeong article

Am I doing alright? Or do I need to do anything more? Rosuacamus (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Rosuacamus. It looks like you're getting some constructive feedback, and I like your open-minded attitude! Instead of posting both at the article talk page and the user's talk page, I'd recommend just posting at the article talk and pinging the other user. It looks like the other user has already removed the notability tag. If you ever run into that issue again, I'd suggest pulling out the three strongest sources and pasting them into the article talk page. You'll want to explain how they're independent and reliable and how they contain significant coverage of the topic. Those terms are all defined at WP:GNG. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:34, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I thought I had read and understood the rules, but I guess not. I will use the talk page from now on. I do not want the articles I write to be filled with garbage and want them to undergo scrutiny. Thanks for responding so promptly! Have a good one. Rosuacamus (talk) 00:15, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Your article is not and never has been filled with garbage! There are a lot of rules here, and no one knows them all. Scrutiny from those who know a few more of the norms here is a good thing. It certainly helps me! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

What heartwarming words! This means a lot to me. I am not afraid of critical comments and welcome them. The discussion was actually fun and taught me a valuable lesson. I am rewriting the text to remove some of the tables. I will post a comment on the article talk page and ping it. Thank you so much! Rosuacamus (talk) 10:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Of course! Happy editing. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 12:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from TriosLosDios (20:18, 8 June 2024)

Hello, again my Mentor. Yes, I also reviewed a PNJ article related to this subject. For some reason I was never able to access pg # causing an (error code). I'm uncertain the proposed uses of inline citations or non inline citations. There must be different reasons whichever types are used/ referenced pertaining to context or content. This is maybe my issues Re: Blackwater Heritage State Trail 'article'. What am I missing here with what, how and when to use inline citations or in text citations or other ? And in what way or purpose are these applied ?

I appreciate your effort of encouragement as a mentor. --TriosLosDios (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

There's more than one right way to do this, so please know that I'm oversimplifying while you get used to at least one method. Here's a step by step for what you have currently in your sandbox:

1. First, recognize the problem: you have urls for the sources right there in the body text. If the reader clicks them, they go right to the source. You have those same urls in the reference section, where you've added the citations. What we want to happen is that a reader finishes a sentence and clicks on the citation number. That click should take them to the reference section, where they can see the details about the source and click again to see the source if they want to.
2. Now we want to fix that problem. Instead of having the citation information in the reference section, we're going to put it right after the text it supports, replacing what's currently there. See what I did here?
3. Make sure that Template:Reflist is in the References section (it is). It collects all the citation information, no matter where it is in the article, and organizes it for the reader.
4. Can you try and do this with the second citation in the sandbox? I don't mind showing you another example, if you'd prefer that.

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:26, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

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Thanks for the email, LilianaUwU. I think this is a "great minds think alike" situation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 05:20, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Captain sparrow199 (12:42, 10 June 2024)

Hey Can you guide me in this, https://en.luquay.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Vaidam_Health give your suggestion --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 12:42, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Captain sparrow199. Sorry to see one of your articles at AfD, but I hope you'll see it as a positive thing. Articles about businesses are tough, like I mentioned earlier, and it's good that we have a healthy amount of scrutiny. AfD is all about notability, so don't worry about cleaning up the article or anything like that. Focus on the best three sources. They might be in the article already, or you may want to search for more strong sources. Make a concise argument for how they meet all four criteria in WP:ORGCRIT.

You should also prepare for the possibility that the article will be deleted. Copy and save the wikitext somewhere offline. If new, stronger sources on the topic are published, you might recreate the article. Best practice would be to create it as a draft and let it be reviewed at WP:Articles for creation. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

you already told me earlier, but i tried to create and failed. can you check or is there is any way to check the sources trustfulness and is this possible, can you participate in this discussion and share your suggestions? Captain sparrow199 (talk) 14:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm here to help you out, but I won't get directly involved with the AfD. If you want to ask me about the reliability of one or two sources, feel free to copy them over here and I'll give you my thoughts. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

how to use Template:Source assess table to check the Source assessment --Captain sparrow199 (talk) 14:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I recommend using a script that makes it easier to create those tables.

1. Go to User:Captain sparrow199/common.js
2. Paste {{subst:Iusc|User:DannyS712/SATG.js}} on the first blank row. Hit publish changes.
3. Bypass your cache
4. When you're at the AfD page, you should get an option, either in your sidebar or top menu (maybe in a dropdown) that says "SA Table Generator"
5. The script helps you using input boxes and dropdown choices
6. Let me know if you run into any issues!

Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

SPAs and AA

Hello there, I hope you are doing well. I wanted to ask two related questions. Would the Armenia-Azerbaijan extended confirm restriction cover this article and its AfD discussion? There is a particular user, who has created their account 6 minutes before commenting on there, and up to this point, all of their edits are to that AfD. This topic area receives the attention of a lot of sockpuppets, so I am extremely suspicious of this new account who closely follows the AfD, leaves walls of text repeating the same erratic arguments, and made no edits to any other page. However, due to the lack of connecting evidence, I have no clue whose sockpuppet this could be. WP:SPA suggests tagging single-purpose users, but I'm not sure what the best action would be in this case. Thank you, Aintabli (talk) 11:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If that article or the AfD is connected to the AA general sanctions topic area, I can't yet see how. I would encourage you to tag the SPA, possible using Template:Spa. That feeling of being sure someone is a sock but having no idea which one is tough, been there before! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:49, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Question from Svampesky (18:11, 11 June 2024)

Probably an insignificant question. Have I violated any policy about advertising and spam with my comment on Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia#Ahmed Farah Dualeh saying which I'll shamelessly promote here: The lore of Kalloor? It was intended to be a light-hearted comment, but I can edit it out. --Svampesky (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Svampesky. No. Our policies/guidelines on spam and promotion are focused on off-Wiki interests. You are free to point editors toward your Signpost article, being bounded there mainly by common sense and some due modesty. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)