Template:Did you know nominations/Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
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Two Hearts (Jackie Evancho album)[edit]
- ... that only two months after she performed the US national anthem at the 2017 presidential inauguration, Evancho is set to release a new album, Two Hearts? Source: "Jackie Evancho moving toward pop on new album Two Hearts" link and link
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Martin Long
- Comment: Hook will only be factual until
April 1131 March ("... set to release"). Please ping if scheduling this DYK takes longer.
ALT HOOK: *... that Jackie Evancho is set to become the youngest performer ever at Café Carlyle when she performs songs from her new album Two Hearts there in April? Sources: "John O'Hurley, Jackie Evancho and Lisa Loeb to Make Cafe Carlyle Debuts this Spring" and"Jackie Evancho Will Make Cafe Carlyle Debut This April"
Created by Ssilvers (talk). Nominated by Pgallert (talk) at 19:48, 16 March 2017 (UTC).
- New enough (created by Ssilvers on 11 March 2017), long enough (3,646 characters "readable prose size"), not fully referenced. No copyvio detected by earwig. QPQ done. Supplied link is rubbish. Hook fact is in the second sentence of the lead, and is unreferenced. It's supported by FN 1, but the rest of the sentence is not. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- User:Hawkeye7, I added refs and supplied better links above. Please let me know if you need anything further. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Well, yes, as a matter of fact. The second sentence of the lead is now referenced, but the first is not. Add a reference to the first sentence. The Track listing and release details at AllMusic will do; but that brings us to another point: Where does the Track listing section come from? Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- User:Hawkeye7, AllMusic and Amazon get review copies. Also, this press release gives all the details, including mentioning Evancho's writing credit. I've added this and AllMusic to the Tracklisting section. Amazon.com gives the track listing, too. Why do we need the refs in the Lead section? Normally, noncontroversial info can be referenced in the body of the article without repeating the ref in the Lead. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Normally you don't need references in the lead at all because the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article and the references will therefore appear with the text in the article below. But your lead is not a summary of the article. It is full of details that are not in the text below. Hence it needs to be fully referenced in order to meet DYK standards. It would be best to move the whole lot into a section below and replace it with a simple summary, which wouldn't need references. Note that the Track Listing section is still incompletely referenced. Sure, AllMusic and Amazon give a listing of the tracks, but not the writing credits. They had to come from somewhere; where was it? Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Some of the writing credits are mentioned in the Sony/Portrait press release. Others are from articles about each individual song (the WP articles about the individual songs give refs for the writing credits) except the song Mama, which is marked TBA. As is normally the case in Wikipedia, we do not add separate refs after each song, but when the liner notes arrive on March 31, they will contain all the credits, and I'll cite them. I added some more "summary" information to the Lead, and there is hardly any information in the Lead that is not stated in the body of the article below. The only information that is unique in the Lead is the characterization of "Caruso" as a ballad and "How Great Thou Art" as "an 1885 hymn". -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- The lead is chocka block with information not in the article! For a start, there's the release date itself. That she "included several songs from the album in her concerts in 2016 and 2017", is "scheduled to give ten performances at Café Carlyle", and all sorts of tidbits about the tracks. It should be fine from a DYK point of view, because they have references. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- I disagree except in one respect: (1) Release date: Good catch. I have now added this to the Production section. (2) That she included several songs in her recent concerts is already described in the Development and promotion section. (3) Cafe Carlyle, ditto. (4) All the tidbits about the tracks are set forth in the Track list section, except as I mentioned in my previous message above. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- The lead is chocka block with information not in the article! For a start, there's the release date itself. That she "included several songs from the album in her concerts in 2016 and 2017", is "scheduled to give ten performances at Café Carlyle", and all sorts of tidbits about the tracks. It should be fine from a DYK point of view, because they have references. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:19, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Some of the writing credits are mentioned in the Sony/Portrait press release. Others are from articles about each individual song (the WP articles about the individual songs give refs for the writing credits) except the song Mama, which is marked TBA. As is normally the case in Wikipedia, we do not add separate refs after each song, but when the liner notes arrive on March 31, they will contain all the credits, and I'll cite them. I added some more "summary" information to the Lead, and there is hardly any information in the Lead that is not stated in the body of the article below. The only information that is unique in the Lead is the characterization of "Caruso" as a ballad and "How Great Thou Art" as "an 1885 hymn". -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:02, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Normally you don't need references in the lead at all because the lead is supposed to be a summary of the article and the references will therefore appear with the text in the article below. But your lead is not a summary of the article. It is full of details that are not in the text below. Hence it needs to be fully referenced in order to meet DYK standards. It would be best to move the whole lot into a section below and replace it with a simple summary, which wouldn't need references. Note that the Track Listing section is still incompletely referenced. Sure, AllMusic and Amazon give a listing of the tracks, but not the writing credits. They had to come from somewhere; where was it? Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:35, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- User:Hawkeye7, AllMusic and Amazon get review copies. Also, this press release gives all the details, including mentioning Evancho's writing credit. I've added this and AllMusic to the Tracklisting section. Amazon.com gives the track listing, too. Why do we need the refs in the Lead section? Normally, noncontroversial info can be referenced in the body of the article without repeating the ref in the Lead. -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- Well, yes, as a matter of fact. The second sentence of the lead is now referenced, but the first is not. Add a reference to the first sentence. The Track listing and release details at AllMusic will do; but that brings us to another point: Where does the Track listing section come from? Hawkeye7 (talk) 21:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- User:Hawkeye7, I added refs and supplied better links above. Please let me know if you need anything further. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:26, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
- New enough (created by Ssilvers on 11 March 2017), long enough (3,646 characters "readable prose size"), not fully referenced. No copyvio detected by earwig. QPQ done. Supplied link is rubbish. Hook fact is in the second sentence of the lead, and is unreferenced. It's supported by FN 1, but the rest of the sentence is not. Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
Returned from prep per discussion at WT:DYK#Singer releases album soon after mass exposure at presidential inauguration - prep 5. There is consensus to use TRM's second hook, but it lacks inline citations in the article. Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- User:Yoninah, User:Hawkeye7 and User:Cwmhiraeth: I added TRM's second hook and added additional inline citations in the article's LEAD that cover these facts. Yoninah (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
- Second hook as in the one crystal gazing with "will become the youngest ever"? 106.209.234.117 (talk) 22:22, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
Replacing tick now hook has been settled. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2017 (UTC)