Talk:Space Babies

Space Babies is currently a Television good article nominee. Nominated by TheDoctorWho (talk) at 06:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

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A fact from Space Babies appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that due to legal and union restrictions, the production team for the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" occasionally had to replace real babies with props?

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Did you know nomination[edit]

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 18:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that according to Millie Gibson, the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" is "one for the fans"?

Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/doctor-who-ncuti-gatwa-millie-gibson-space-babies-1235900583/

ALT1: ... that the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" is the first regular episode of the show since "The Vanquishers" in 2021? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/11/doctor-who-space-babies-devils-chord-ncuti-gatwa-millie-gibson-beatles-jinkx-monsoon
ALT2: ... that while filming the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" the actors were scared by prop babies? Source: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-whos-stars-demonic-rubber-space-babies/
ALT3: ... that due to union restriction the production team for the Doctor Who episode "Space Babies" had to occasionally replace real babies with props? Source: https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/doctor-whos-stars-demonic-rubber-space-babies/
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Comment: I am the top contributor, Alex 21 created the draft and moved it into the mainspace. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Moved to mainspace by OlifanofmrTennant (talk) and Alex 21 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.

Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

Reviewing now. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ~~There are a few issues, but they can be resolved.~~

The final paragraph is supported by citations to Amazon and Rare Waves. The first sentence about pre-orders is ok, but the second sentence is not. Amazon is not considered a reliable source for future information, per WP:RSPSS. I would argue the same for the way Rare Waves is used to support something planned for the future. Either remove those two sentences or find other sources to support them.
The plot summary is lifted word for word from tragicalhistory.com. You'll need to rewrite it in your own words to avoid the plagiarism violation.
The quote in the primary hook does not match the one in the article and the article attributes it to Gibson only; not Gatwa.
Source for ALT1 checks out.
I can't find anything in the ALT2 source about the cast being scared. If you can find a source to support ALT2, I think that would be interesting to readers.
The original hook and ALT2 don't seem interesting to me. Dugan Murphy (talk) 21:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dugan Murphy: It seems that the plot summary is lifted from wikipedia and not vise versa. Removed the rarewaves and release date. Created alt3 to replace alt2. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be right about the plot summary. Thank you for pointing that out! I looked at the source code for that tragicalhistory.com page and it listed updates only after this article was moved to mainspace; none before. However, the sentence supported by Rare Waves hasn't changed and the citation supporting it hasn't changed. About the ALT3 hook:

ALT3 is supported by the link you provide in this nomination, but not in the Variety link used in the article.
The wording doesn't entirely make sense. "The episode ... had to replace babies" doesn't work because the episode didn't replace the babies. People did. Dugan Murphy (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dugan Murphy: I removed the Rarewave source but it was added back. I also adjusted the wording. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 20:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the new wording for ALT3 is fine. There are still two issues holding back this nomination:

The issue above about the Variety citation has not been fixed.
The Rare Waves citation and the sentence it supports have not been modified. Dugan Murphy (talk) 22:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Dugan Murphy: Done and Done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All the issues I raised appeaer to be resolved. I consider this nomination approved to go forward with the ALT3 hook. Great work! Dugan Murphy (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Bogeyman (bogeyman)[edit]

Is it appropriate to wikilink the Bogeyman in this article? I'm not sure it is; I think in the context of a Doctor Who articles, people would expect a link to go to a page about the Doctor Who Bogeyman, rather than the article about the general concept of a bogeyman. So I think it's confusing and an inappropriate link. However, before removing the links, I thought I should canvass opinion and see what others think. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 22:01, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is relevant, as the "bogeyman" portrayed is essentially a variant of the bogeyman. I think it should at the very least be linked in Space Babies § Development (which it currently isn't) as this references the creature being inspired by the folkloric Bogeyman, as well as the lead. Irltoad (talk) 22:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recently added the links based on the fact that actual people are linked in other episode articles. For example, the "Wild Vlue Yonder" page links to Issac Newton the person, not the character; "The Giggle" links to John Logie Baird the person, not the character. I felt it was the same concept. TheDoctorWho (talk) 22:24, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]