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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 00:35, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Including two disagreeing sources for ALT1 because there seems to be no consensus on how many covers Miles designed, other that they are in the multiple hundreds. I am personally more drawn to ALT1 than I am the original hook, given that the original cannot be supplemented by free-use images. Feel free to alter the hooks as well.
Created by Joeyquism (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Joeyquism (talk) 05:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Hi Joey! came here after finding this article from discord. Sources look good, with reliable sources and authors with good creds. Spotchecked a few of them (refer to Special:PermanentLink/1229691544), [3] [13], [33], [69] and found no issues with plagiarism or verifiability (although I would tone down with the quotations if you want to bring it to GA). No need for a QPQ. Wrt hookiness, I don't really vibe with both hooks - the second is wordy, and the first depends on whether people know Andy Warhol. Perhaps you can spin a hook from the third paragraph of the lead? PSA 🏕️🪐 (please make some noise...) 01:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi PSA - thank you for the review! I agree with your point that ALT0 requires prior knowledge, though I'm not sure that I agree ALT1 is wordy other than the usage of the word "jazz" twice. As a replacement, how about the following:
Perhaps that's more concise? I also took your suggestion of spinning a hook from the third paragraph:
...or some other variation? Let me know what you think. For your point regarding quotations, I am assuming you mean the quotations in the reception section, but please correct me if I'm wrong. I'll get to reducing the quotation usage as soon as I can. Thanks again! joeyquism (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Album covers of Blue Note Records/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Joeyquism (talk · contribs) 22:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewer: Tbhotch (talk · contribs) 19:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the belated acknowledgement - thank you very much for deciding to review this article! I did notice that you're taking a lot of other nominations on; how long do you expect it should be before you get to this one? If you need any assistance or anything, feel free to let me know. joeyquism (talk) 08:52, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Upcoming review.

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality (prose is clear and concise, without exceeding quotations, or spelling and grammar errors):
    B. MoS compliance (including, but not limited to: lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists):
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources (including an appropriate reference section):
    B. Citation of available and reliable sources where necessary (including direct quotations):
    C. No original research:
    D. No copyright violations:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    edit wars, multiple edits not related to the GAN process, etc. (this excludes blatant vandalism):
  6. Does it contain images (or other media) to illustrate (or support) the topic?
    A. Images (and other media) are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images (and other media) are provided where possible and are relevant, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:

@Joeyquism: sorry for the delay. I'll review this article as soon as I complete Mid Air (Romy album)'s. (CC) Tbhotch™ 04:24, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks slightly different than when I first visited it for its nomination in DYK. Of all the covers, perhaps (and it would require a separate review), File:Ten (Jason Moran album).jpg is the one that may not meet the US threshold of originality for being composed of geometric shapes that could be used without legal issues, though it is still possible it got the copyright if the respective court accepted it due to the distribution of the circles. Since WP:NFCC is a policy with legal considerations, I'll review the images independently from the sections they illustrate and any discussions that are raised about the files.

Lead
  • File:Jhendersonmodeforjoe.jpg ☒N, the caption reads "The album cover of Joe Henderson's Mode for Joe (1966)". It is used to illustrate what the topic is, "Album covers of Blue Note Records". The caption, however, doesn't satisfy WP:NFCC#8: "Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Mode for Joe is not mentioned in the article at all, so its inclusion is not vital for this article. If the file is to be kept, it needs context on why it is vital to have it here (i.e. an appropriate caption). Using the cover as one example of the label's covers is insufficient and the files below are sufficient. If a free file is required, File:Blue Note Records.svg can fulfill that requirement, even though it is not one.
    • I've opted to comment out the image for now until I can figure out a good replacement/caption/etc. I did at one point consider using the Blue Note logo in the lead, but became frustrated when coming up for a potential caption for the image. I can't imagine what it would be other than a simple (and, in my opinion, quite bland) "Logo of Blue Note Records"; if you have any suggestions that are better than this, feel free to let me know. Notably, some of the articles most similar to this one (those pertaining to a specific company's advertising in particular) omit both the company's logo and any illustrations in their leads - see Burger King advertising and Apple Inc. advertising. joeyquism (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      • If you'd like to keep this specific cover, you'll need to improve the caption. You mention below that the photographs were taken in studio as the artists performed with Wolff trying to capture their human side. Here we see three photographs of Henderson taking a puff on his cigarette, which portrays what Wolff wanted to picture, honest and unrehearsed moments. If you could find a source for the second statement, then you'll have an appropriate caption for a lead picture. Or you could do it with a different file like you did it with Piano Interpretations. Some of these covers are likely to enter the public domain in the 2050s, so they will return eventually.
        • Tbhotch: Apologies for taking a while to get back to your reply - I've been busy with work and writing other articles. I'm still going to opt to leave it out for now; I may come back to it if or when I can come up with a caption that is both suitable and concise. joeyquism (talk) 03:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        On the opposite, I apologize for taking too much time. I normally complete reviews within a week. Thankfully, I completed the largest reviews so I'll have time for the missing reviews. Once I'll complete it, I'll leave it on hold for a month so you have enough time to complete it. (CC) Tbhotch™ 03:15, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        That's no problem at all. I'd like to believe that I work fast, so a month is quite generous in my opinion, although I must thank you for taking this into consideration. Looking forward to the rest of your review, and of course feel free to take your time as needed. joeyquism (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He left Blue Note in 1967 following founder Alfred Lion's retirement. After Miles's departure," → these sentences can be merged
Background

checkY No major prose issues

1951–1956
  • File:Piano Interpretations.jpg checkY The caption includes a valid explanation of the album cover and the section discusses the cover itself
  • checkY No major prose issues
1956–1967
  • File:The Congragation (album).jpg ☒N The caption reads, "The cover of Johnny Griffin's The Congregation (1958) features an illustration from Andy Warhol." I disagree with the DKY rationale that one hook requires prior knowledge regarding who Warhol was. His works are a synonym of what pop culture meant during the second half of the 20th century and have influenced our modern culture, and his name is frequently mentioned nowadays. With that said, the caption doesn't satisfy NFCC8. Being a Warhol work is not enough for this file to be present in the article. There are free pictures of Warhol himself at Commons that can replace this file. In the prose, The Congregation is only a passing mention and it doesn't explain (like in the previous example) why it is vital to illustrate this album here.
    • I've opted to use a picture of Warhol instead. The picture is from 1975, many years after his work for Blue Note, so I've included a note indicating when the photo was taken in the caption. If this is not to your liking, of course, please let me know. joeyquism (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A photo of Monk, taken by Wolff, is placed in the top of the frame, while the title "Genius Of Modern Music"" → "A photo of Monk, taken by Wolff, is placed at the top of the frame, while the title "Genius of Modern Music"
  • "by company president Goddard Lieberson, but was still allowed" → unneeded comma

@Joeyquism: I'll continue later with the next sections. (CC) Tbhotch™ 06:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Tbhotch! I've addressed your comments above. Looking forward to the rest of your review. joeyquism (talk) 09:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-free overuse[edit]

With 17 non-free album covers as of the time of writing, the article seems to violate the "minimal usage" criterion of the Wikipedia:Non-free content guidelines, which states that A single item of non-free content that conveys multiple points of significant understanding within a topic is preferred to multiple non-free items which each convey fewer such points. I think the article is written well enough that viewers can get the gist with one or two images per section, including the lede. (Pinging User:Joeyquism) DigitalIceAge (talk) 01:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the notice. I’ll get to editing this when I get home tonight. joeyquism (talk) 01:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've reduced the number to 7 images. Let me know if this is enough to warrant the removal of the minimal use violation template. joeyquism (talk) 05:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much better, thank you! DigitalIceAge (talk) 06:01, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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