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Updating a page while retaining proper attribution

I've been working with another user (Pete Nelson from UKY) to create an improved version of an article in userspace. (For specifics, the article to be improved is Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy and the userspace draft is User:WikiDan61/LATE). I've checked with WP:WikiProject Medicine and have received at positive (not rousing, but at least positive) reception regarding the current state of the draft. I'd like to merge the contents of this user-space draft into the mainspace article while properly giving attribution to Pete Nelson for his contributions in the draft space. How do I go about doing that? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:20, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Vis-a-vis Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy, last month User:Pete Nelson from UKY completely rewrote the article, in the process deleting all but one of the references and adding his own sci journal articles as references. His efforts were correctly reverted. He should review Wikipedia:Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

As for the draft now at User:WikiDan61/LATE I am guessing/hoping that it includes the references that are in the existing article. Large chunks of text are not referenced, and of greater concern, I counted 17 of the 65 refs as having P Nelson as first author. I strongly recommend that the two of you collaborate on a revision that has all content referenced and as few as possible citations of Nelson et al. As for acknowledging contributions, Wikipedia does not do that in articles. I suppose on the Talk page of the article, you could add a new section stating that Nelson contributed to the revisions. David notMD (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi thanks David notMD. I wrote the previous version as well. I can cull “my” references and add others? In terms of editorial attribution, I think WikiDan61 was just talking about the edit log. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Little stuff: Reference numbers are to be placed after punctuation. Sci article publication dates are month and year, as in May 2024, not 2024-05. Authors in journal refs are last name and initials rather than full first name. A shortcut: enter a PMID number into https://tools.wmflabs.org/citation-template-filling/cgi-bin/index.cgi and it generates a reference. I sam not against improving medical/health articles (I have raised several to Good Article status in my area of expertise), but the more common practice is to incrementally improve the existing article rather than replace entirety. I understand how the latter approach can be attractive when so much needs to be improved. Lastly, Wikipedia recommends "BRD", meaning be Bold in your edits, but if Reverted, take the dispute to the Talk page of the article for a Discussion-effort to reach consensus. Many articles have multiple 'watchers' who have set an option so that when they log in they are notified of any edits to articles they watch. There is no ownership, per se, but there can be strong opinions as to what is correct. David notMD (talk) 13:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David notMD.

I actually edited the wikipedia page to conform with Wikipedia standard page formatting for disease (it was like an essay, before and was rated to be basically substandard for that reason. Honestly the basic substance of the page is not that different, it's the same disease.)

Some of the references in the revised page are redundant, i.e., they're the same ref but given different numbers. I don't know how to clean that up?

Thanks again,

Pete Nelson Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pete Nelson from UKY For replacing cites used multiple times with a single reference, see WP:NAMED. The template {{rp}} can be useful if you have, say, a book source and are quoting from different pages at different places in your text. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Hm thanks but I couldn't figure that out, it's very complicated-seeming. There must be an easier way to recognize and consolidate duplicated references?

Thanks again,

Pete Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pete Nelson from UKY, Michael D. Turnbull, and David notMD: I've updated the page for citation style issues (duplicates; WP:REFPUNCT; display authors). I hope that helps. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 18:41, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks so much WikiDan61! I updated the page, added new citations. Now there is broader coverage of references. 128.163.238.97 (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@128.163.238.97 and Pete Nelson from UKY: Thanks, but I do wish you'd learn how to properly format citation dates and duplicate citations. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Argh did I do it wrong? I thought that the point of the visual editor mode was to make it so dummies like me could add and edit entries? 128.163.238.97 (talk) 20:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

@128.163.238.97 and Pete Nelson from UKY: If you see red error text in your citations, they should be fixed. Specifically, the date format "yyyy-mm" is not valid. "yyyy-mm-dd" is valid, but if there is no specific day of publication (only a month), then it must be formatted as "<Month name> <year>". Also, per WP:REFPUNCT, citations always follow punctuation, not precede it. (The result should look like this,¹ not this².) WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:22, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks again WikiDan61! I made the recommended changes, see what you think? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 01:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

FYI for anyone late to the show: This is about User:WikiDan61/LATE, which is being proposed as a complete replacement of Limbic-predominant age-related TDP-43 encephalopathy. One unresolved issue us that at least 12 refs, some used multiple times, are co-authored by Pete Nelson, a person involved in replacing the original article. Wikipedia:Expert editors and WP:SELFCITE were mentioned earlier in this posting. David notMD (talk) 02:50, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hi, thanks for this…to clarify, I am wrote the prior page also and the reason I’m replacing that page is to conform with Wikipedia formatting specs. And yes there are refs cited that I’m a coauthor of but the refs most frequently cited are consensus papers with a lot of other superb coauthors. 74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

• wrote, not am wrote

74.136.40.218 (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

So...can we please swop in the updated version of the web page, from WikiDan61's site? Pete Nelson from UKY (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Suggesting articles for improvement?

Hello! Is there a way to suggest or nominate particular articles for improvement? I've put a lot of work into a couple pages, but they still need lots of work that I don't have the time or energy for. I know there are no deadlines on WP, so it's not exactly an urgent matter, but these pages are culturally important and I would love to see them get some serious attention from editors besides myself. Wafflewombat (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

That's perhaps a job for the relevant WikiProject(s); but most WikiProjects are either more or less moribund or already have requests like yours, or both. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Just out of curiosity, was there ever a Golden Age of Wikipedia, when WikiProjects were not moribund? Wafflewombat (talk) 02:05, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There was an age when even English-language Wikipedia was young and perhaps more exciting than it is now, and when WikiProjects can be said to have flourished. But -- however understandably and excusably, given the circumstances -- a high percentage of the articles were crap. Back then, perhaps Wikipedia glistered, but it was hardly golden. -- Hoary (talk) 02:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: That's a good question. Wikipedia generally felt more lively before c. 2011, but I don't remember if that translated to WikiProjects specifically. The number of active editors fell by a third between 2009 and 2014 and has since remained roughly the same, but the number of WikiProjects has increased. It stands to reason that less people spread over more projects would lead to a loss of activity. On the other hand, there are projects that have managed to remain active (e.g. WP:MILHIST, WP:MED), including some created after 2014 (e.g. WP:WOMRED). You really need a proactive core group to keep them going and I suspect that the majority of WikiProjects just never had that. – Joe (talk) 19:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:School board members

Shouldn't this be a subcategory of Category:board members? I always wondered why that category doesn't exist when we have dozens of categories with "board members" in the title Trade (talk) 11:30, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trade. Welcome to the Teahouse. I can't imagine anyone being interested in such a vague category. A "board" means different things in different contexts, per board. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

There must be something in common Trade (talk) 13:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Category:School board members, Category:Members of district health boards in New Zealand and Category:Provincial board members in the Philippines looks a little too diverse to me. Maybe if a category was limited to boards of an organization. By the way, I found Category:Grey's Anatomy task force administrative board members. Wow, we have an administrative board for editors of a specific TV series. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The phrase "board member" to me immediately conjures up the idea of a member of the board of directors of a company, i.e. a director. While there are other kinds of board (boards of governors, boards of trustees etc) I would not use or understand the phrase in those senses unless the context had already established what kind of board we were talking abou.t ColinFine (talk) 10:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Red Link

Hi - I'm trying to add a Red Link to 'Pero Jones' on the Pero's Bridge page, because the bridge is named after him, and he needs his own page as there is a lot of published information about him, which is unusual for an enslaved person in Bristol at that time. I'm planning to do this in the not too distant future. But when I put in the double brackets round his name it creates a hyperlink to the Pero's Bridge page, and I can't work out why it does that, or how to give it the red link. Help me please!

Hope that makes sense. Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Ruthhenrietta the reason it links back to the Pero's Bridge article, is that Pero Jones is currently a redirect to the bridge article. Click on Pero Jones and than look at the very top of the Pero's Bridge page and it should say "(Redirected from Pero Jones)". If you click on that link it will take you to the redirect, which explains the link is

With possibilities: This is a redirect from a title that potentially could be expanded into a new article or other type of associated page such as a new template. The topic described by this title may be more detailed than is currently provided on the target page or in a section of that page.

We don't want a circular redirect whilst there is no article on Pero Jones, but that description should encourage you to consider creating such an article. - Arjayay (talk) 14:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:52, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Ruthhenrietta. Pero Jones is a redirect to Pero's Bridge because he has a significant mention there and doesn't have his own article. It for example helps users who search information about him by entering his name in the search box. It also means he can be linked in other articles like History of Bristol#Slave trade. But a link in Pero's Bridge is unhelpful if it just redirects back to the page itself. I have used {{no self-redirect|Pero Jones}}.[1] This omits a link when it would redirect back to the page but makes a link if it becomes an article or a redirect to a different article. The redirect is appropriate now but see Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects if you want to make an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for doing that and explaining clearly. I might have to come back to you at the point when I make the page... I'm still learning! Ruthhenrietta (talk) 15:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ruthhenrietta. While it is possible to create an article by simply editing the redirect page, I would advise against doing it this way unless you are confident that you can in your first edit create something that meets the basic requirements for sourcing and establishing notability. Generally it is better to create the new article as a draft, and then either submit it for review, or (if you are confident it will pass review) making a move request to move your draft over the redirect. ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How may I create an article?

This may come off as stupid, but how can I create one? Cyb3rstarzzz (talk) 14:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Cyb3rstarzzz, reading WP:Your First Article should teach you all you need to know to get started. 👍 Ca ^{talk to me!} 14:51, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Users of all experience levels--beginner like you or veteran like me--are encouraged to use the Articles for Creation (AFC) process, which also provides the Article Wizard to start things off. If you need help with sources, talk to someone with WP:Library access (me included) or at WP:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, and they'll help you out. Also, what Ca linked to earlier on. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Samsung DeX

Does Wikipedia support Samsung DeX? AndroidEnthusiast (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi AndroidEnthusiast. Wikipedia can be accessed from any device or operating system capable of running a web browser. I'm not familiar with Samsung DeX but it appears to be one of them. – Joe (talk) 19:01, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@AndroidEnthusiast See Samsung DeX. The technology is a way to add standard desktop features like a keyboard, mouse and monitor to your phone. The actual software used to access WP will be whatever you would use from the phone itself, usually a browser or various apps. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What am I doing wrong with this ordered list?

In the process of expanding an article and am struggling to determine what I'm doing wrong with this ordered list. It seems fine, but whenever I try to review changes or see a preview of it, the list is invisible. Clearly, I goofed somewhere, but for the life of me can't see where. Although currently invisible, the ordered list is pasted below in wikitext. Help, please? Thank you!

—CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: You have not followed the instruction at {{Ordered list}} which states that "equal signs (=) must be escaped or replaced with {{=}}". Replace the = signs in each item with {{=}}; so ({{music|quarter}} = 72) becomes ({{music|quarter}} {{=}} 72). Bazza 7 (talk) 19:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, my friend!!! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:59, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about sources

Hi everyone,

I created a page Draft:Left Angle and it was initially declined for the sources, so I read the information about in-depth, reliable, secondary, and independent sources and resubmitted the article with new sources a few times but it keeps getting rejected.

I really want to get it right and have even used the template below to try and organize and analyze the sources in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines. Could someone help me better understand which of my sources (if not all of them) don't meet the requirements and why? Since I don't know if they just all don't meet the requirements or if some are ok, I would like to continue to work and improve on the article starting with the ones that are deemed ok.

Thank you!

p.s. I have attached the source assess template below but it does not display correctly :/ sorry

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Example
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.presences-grenoble.fr/actualites-start-grenoble/left-angle-le-compositing-portee-de-tous.htm	Physical and online magazine article. Magazine is informational; no sponsorship	Published by Grenoble Chamber of Commerce and Industry	Significant coverage provides an overview and description of the company in accordance with Wikipedia terms	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/01/check-out-next-gen-motion-design-and-vfx-tool-autograph/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.pids-enghien.fr/genie-awards-2015/?lang=en	Official website for the awards event	Official website for the awards event	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://mediakwest.com/les-laureats-de-la-1ere-edition-des-digital-creation-genie-awards/	Online magazine for audiovisual professionals; not sponsored	Published online news content	Published information includes event and award description with photo of company member with the award	✔ Yes
https://biotechinfo.fr/article/france-2030-241-laureats-recompenses-lors-de-la-ceremonie-2021-2022-des-concours-dinnovation-de-letat/	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society; no affiliation or sponsorship	Online published collection of in-depth articles on science and society	Article provides an in-depth description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://www.entreprises.gouv.fr/fr/france-2030/concours-d-innovation-trois-volets-i-phd-i-lab-et-i-nov	Official government website for research & development and innovation awards	Published government website	In-depth description description of award type the company received	✔ Yes
https://origin.80.lv/articles/autograph-motion-design-visual-effects-tool/	Article was not sponsored	Article published by a global digital content publishing network	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://beforesandafters.com/2023/06/19/the-left-angle-founders-discuss-new-comp-and-mograph-tool-autograph/	Podcast not sponsored by Left Angle or distributors	Online, podcast and print publication dedicated to VFX, animation, CG, games and virtual production run by longtime industry	In-depth feature and description of the company and product	✔ Yes
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/03/left-angle-launches-autograph-creator/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
https://www.xda-developers.com/best-alternatives-to-popular-adobe-apps/	Article not sponsored	Computing publication	~ Lengthy article featuring alternatives to Adobe products with a short feature on Autograph	~ Partial
https://www.cgchannel.com/2023/12/left-angle-releases-autograph-2023-11/	Website provides independent reporting and reviews - no affiliates or sponsored articles	Published online news coverage	Significant in-depth coverage provides an overview, description, and commentary on the company and product.	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Nanou41 (talk) 20:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Fixed syntax of the table. See also Template:Source assess#Example. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:19, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The sources in the table match the references in the draft version declined by the most recent reviewer. David notMD (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

The awards are minor (two refs), and the last four refs are about the software, not the company, hence do not contribute to establish the notability of the company. All in all, this is probably too soon (WP:TOOSOON). David notMD (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Ok that makes sense since the last four focus and say more on the product rather than the company.

Initially I saw a draft article someone started on the product Draft:Left Angle Autograph which appeared to have been rejected several times a few months ago and I added edits to it (waiting to see if it gets approved). Do you think these are valid for that product page? Nanou41 (talk) 19:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this! Nanou41 (talk) 19:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Left Angle Autograph was Declined (not Rejected, which is a more severe action) for the reasons given. Given the newness of the company and its software, the references in both drafts do not appear to meet Wikipedia criteria as set out in WP:42. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

What, if any, is your personal connection to Left Angle? David notMD (talk) 15:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I’m a motion designer looking for a new software to use and came across a comment mentioning this company I had never heard of. Then I looked it up and liked what I saw but while looking it up I noticed it didn’t have any wikipedia page (except the product page but I’m still learning about it) so I made this one. Our industry is a bit of a mess right now for several reasons (among which the government is actually suing the company who’s software I use atm) and a lot of motion designers are looking into options so I want to make sure we have access to any information that can help us find tools. Nanou41 (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Oh yeah sorry, “declined” is the word I meant to write.

Ok. In that case, I think it would be very helpful if Wikipedia also added a “minimum time in existence” or a “minimum times mentioned publicly” condition to their guidelines because it would be a lot easier to understand their reasoning. There is a big difference imo between a source not meeting requirements in itself (reliable, independent, in-depth, secondary) and a page being declined simply because they want the company to be mentioned more in general. Nanou41 (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Lyrics in article

Are lyrics allowed in song articles? I know a guide to line dancing songs such as Cha Cha Slide is not allowed as Wikipedia isn't a guide. Cwater1 (talk) 21:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Generally not, as they are copyrighted. More information is available at MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. Some portions can be used for analysis and illustrating specific points, but not the whole song. LizardJr8 (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Ahh, I see, makes sense. We don't want to do something unauthorized. Thanks for the help. I was wondering. Cwater1 (talk) 22:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Infoboxes

How can I put infoboxes on my draft? Can I even? An answer to this would be very helpful thank you! WikiPhil012 (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Click on "Insert" button. From there, a dropdown menu will appear. Then click on "Templates". You will be asked to enter the name of the template. Here is an article about templates that I think will be useful to you on deciding which info box is best for your draft that you are currently writing on: Wikipedia:Templates. Soafy234 (talk) 22:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Alternatively: Find an article on a similar subject, WikiPhil012. (If your draft is about a soccer player, find an article about a soccer player. Et cetera.) Act as if about to edit its source. Copy the relevant infobox. Cancel the edit. Paste the infobox into your draft. Edit the content of the infobox. Note that addition of an infobox helps neither to demonstrate the notability of the subject of your draft nor to show that the draft merits promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks you for the help. You both made my Wikipedia experience better. WikiPhil012 (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

NPP or page review request

Hello, I just spent some time working on this page, about a notable (but sadly deceased subject) and wanted to ask if any NPP's are online to review it? Here is the page: Michael Lehrer

If the page is not ready, feel free to draftify and I will submit as an AfC. If it seems good, asking for this to be reviewed and indexed as the subject is a quite notable and prolific individual in comedy and ALS history.

Thanks (sorry if this isn't the place to post this) Comintell (talk) 00:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Comintell: Currently, WP:NPP has a backlog of 12724 articles. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 02:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

IP blocks technical question

I was editing on en.Wikipedia today and used my iPad tethered to my iPhone via Blue tooth. I could edit with my iPhone but not with my iPad, getting the message, ~ ip blocked as anonymizing relay. Was it a config error on my part? Back at home, no problem with either device connected to my LAN with persistent IP address. Thanks for any answers or other direction to help. — Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 00:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —

@Neonorange: Might be due to " iCloud Private Relay" Wikipedia:Open_proxies RudolfRed (talk) 02:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

That may not apply. I just saw you mention bluetooth connection. RudolfRed (talk) 02:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

RudolfRed thank you for replying—so quickly and on the nose. According to the message; probably some mistake on my part—there was an open proxy guest account at the location. I can not see any real reason for editing being possible on the iPhone and not on the tethered iPad.
— Neonorange (talk to Phil) (he, they) 02:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC) —

I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983

I see an error on kamala harris page. It says she was born 1964 and at age of 19, in 1958.... "She moved to the United States from India as a 19-year-old graduate student in 1958," however the math says 1964 plus 19 is 1983 147.81.37.181 (talk) 06:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you've misread it. It says that her mother moved to the USA in 1958. Valenciano (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Maybe that sentence could be made clearer, it is obvious when you read it in context of that paragraph but if you got there by, for instance, searching in-article for the word 'India' then you might not realise that it's not talking about Harris. Sentences getting pulled out of context is a pretty common issue, like it or not. -- D'n'B-t -- 11:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Aragonese isn't spanish

The @ was first used in Aragon, in an aragonese text (the Taula de Ariza). Not in spanish, aragonese, yet it was discriminated against by JMF, who belives Aragonese to be a simple dialect of Spanish.

At sign this is the page where it is wrongly claimed the Taula de Ariza is spanish and here User talk:JJBBSS 02 is where JMF discriminates against Aragonese. JJBBSS 02 (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The current edition of the article appears to correctly identify the document as having been written in Aragonese. This appears to be a content dispute over the "has commonly been used in X,Y,Z", where JMF is not suggesting that the terms are interchangeable but that Spanish deserves the weight in that sentence, which I'd concur with. Its not so much about leaving in Aragonese, but that leaving out Spanish would be an odd choice. -- D'n'B-t -- 09:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Recent contributions have been undone because they did not appear constructive?

Hi there,

I would like to find out why I'm getting this message?

"Hello, I'm TornadoLGS. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Bill Gibson (music producer) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. TornadoLGS (talk) 17:57, 3 June 2024 (UTC)"

I was hoping to place me entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST on Wikipedia but I cant seem to find the right way of marking it up.

- Human genealogy project - Christian Life to give hope in Jesus Christ - The LORD has really put on my heart to write this article, what must I do to better write the article (tools etc.)?

Kind regards, Reinhard Behrens 102.182.3.200 (talk) 09:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

I presume this is a logged out edit by User talk:ReinhardGBehrens1977. Theroadislong (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

First of all, please log in when editing. I'm not sure I understand your original question, but your edit is considered hijacking and is prohibited. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:52, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

And for the record Wikipedia has zero interest in your "entire history of my old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST" UNLESS it has been reported on with significant coverage in multiple reliable independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is the set of your edits that, as TornadoLGS said (with remarkable understatement), "did not appear constructive". What must you do "to better write the article" presenting the "entire history of [your] old life and new life in JESUS CHRIST"? First step: Find some other website for the purpose. -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Directory of alternative outlets '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 12:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Since I was pinged here, I reverted the edit because it seemed to be a partial hijacking of the article. That is, you were changing to content to be about a different person of the same name. However, I went with a milder warning because you had only, thus far, changed a small part of the article. If you are notable, then the content would need to go under a separate article. But if your only intention is to write about your personal religious journey, it's pretty close to certain that you aren't notable and Wikipedia is not a place to write your autobiography. Take a look at the link in the comment above for more suitable places to share your story. TornadoLGS (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Request for Analysis and Improvement Suggestions for Wikipedia Draft on Shri Dharm Paul

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I hope this email finds you well. My name is Kunal Masson, and I am working on creating a Wikipedia article about Shri Dharm Paul. He was a notable figure who passed away in 1990, and unfortunately, there is limited information and references about him available on the internet. I have drafted an article based on the available information, but I am seeking your assistance to review the draft and provide feedback on any mistakes or areas that need improvement. As I aim to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines and standards, your expert advice will be invaluable. Given the scarcity of online references, I have relied on printed materials and personal accounts to compile the draft. I understand the importance of verifiability and reliable sources on Wikipedia and would appreciate any suggestions on how to better source the information or improve the article's credibility. Please find the draft attached to this email for your review. Thank you very much for your time and assistance. I look forward to your feedback and suggestions.

Best regards,

Kunal Masson

Draft Link:- https://en.luquay.com/wiki/Draft:Shri_Dharm_Paul Kunalmasson (talk) 11:12, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: Please be patient. Articles for Creation's reviewers will get to it when they can. That being said, you will have to find independent, reliable sources to support information in your draft. Print sources are fine, but personal accounts are not going to help you establish notability. If there aren't enough reliable sources about Shri Dharm Paul, then he may not be notable enough for a Wikipedia article about him. Please see the first decline reason in the draft. Cheers ‍Relativity ⚡️ 11:29, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Quote: Is. So that all suffering and destitute people can experience their sorrow and deprivation and help them with compassion and love.When a true and selfless resolution arises in the mind of a person and he discharges that resolution with full faith and discipline, then this mission becomes a manifestation of God Himself and God Himself takes charge of this work. The continuous growth and development of Sunshine Charity Trust is a living proof of this. According to which reliable source? -- Hoary (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kunalmasson: you asked this at the AfC help desk, and I answered. You then came here to ask the same question. And then you went back to the AfC help desk to ask the same again. Generally it would be preferred if you asked only at one venue, and read the reply before asking again. This would enable us to provide help more efficiently and without duplicating efforts. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

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New page not allowing me to submit

Hello,

I have spent a few days editing a page I am planning to submit on behalf of a nonprofit I am working with. However, when I pressed the publish button I received this message: No stashed content found for 0/5b8aef10-37da-11ef-9430-cbf7fca7eb8e

What can I do to fix this? Thank you SulerLu (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SulerLu, welcome to the Teahouse. That error tends to pop up when the Visual Editor is left open for too long. You can try copying your content elsewhere, either into a text editor on your device or into Visual Editor in a separate browser tab, so that your work isn't lost. Then be sure to "save" often, rather than editing in one long continuous session. 57.140.16.8 (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you I was able to copy it into another browser tab and resubmit it for review. SulerLu (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Sources on wikipedia page

Hi! I am wondering how to fix my article to have it approved, this is my second round editing, I have included more secondary and strictly independent sources. I am looking for some more insight on this if at all possible! Thank you. Racheldelaney (talk) 14:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Racheldelaney/sandbox --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Racheldelaney You might like to read WP:SOLUTIONS to see one type of problem. I'm afraid that the current draft makes the company look like a WP:RUNOFTHEMILL case. What makes it wikinotable? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Renaming an article based on product name change

I'm not familiar with the guidelines on renaming an article based on product name change. This has come up at Ecolego from (paid, pending disclosure) editor Boriswe. Can anyone just rename it? What discussion should take place first? Should a reliable secondary source be provided to document the change in the product name? All advice appreciated. Thanks. _signed, Willondon (talk) 15:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Willondon. The relevant policy is WP:COMMONNAME. Worth noting is that Twitter is at its original title, over 11 months after it was renamed to X. Cullen328 (talk) 15:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer. Re Twitter, everybody's probably just waiting for the Xilliness to pass. Worst. Rebrand. Ever. I refuse to call it "X", and I suspect a lot of people are of the same mind. _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Long Beach Airport (LGB) edit problem

Hello and good day. Go to above article, go to the infobox at top of article on right hand side, go into the edit window for the infobox, do you see entries for helipads H2 thru H5, I deleted helipads H1 and H6 because they dont exist anymore, so what is there now, I want to appear in the infobox, but its not appearing. Need help fixing. Thank you.Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Theairportman33531: I'm half-guessing here, but I think it requires the first one to be numbered h1, otherwise it won't display them at all? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Template:Infobox airport#Helipads says so. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you were absolutely correct on the issue. Problem solved. Have a great day!Theairportman33531 (talk) 15:37, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

How to find DYK "new" articles?

I've always wanted to put an article in the Do you Know section, but I have no idea how to find eligible articles. The criteria is very strict: in the past week, the article has to either have been expanded five-fold, been created, or nominated to good article status.

What is an easy way to find a "new" article I find interest in to nominate for DYK? Coulomb1 (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Nominators are usually people who have created or improved articles that they are nominating. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Coulomb1 New pages are logged at Special:NewPages. Some won't survive the new pages patrol but you should be able to find lots that will. As advised, it would be unusual to nominate one yourself but you could certainly ask its main author on their Talk Page whether they had thought of doing so and offer help. Suggesting a good "hook" would be a useful contribution, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of a self-published newsletter for proof of affiliation?

On the page regarding the activist Carlos Fernandes, I used the newsletter from the AIDS and Rights Alliance for Southern Africa (ARASA) to prove he had affiliation with that organization. Is this use of a self-published source ok? I figured a source from the organization itself would be able to support whether or not he had any affiliation with them. On the identifying self-published works page it says "A self-published work may be used as a source when the statement concerns the source itself." Would that be applicable in this situation? Thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 17:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello Urchincrawler. I would say no. Including such an affiliation in Carlos Fernandes is not primarily a statement about the source but about Fernandes, and in my few should be included only if it is supported by an independent source. ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Alright thanks. Urchincrawler (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Possible 'new knowledge' post

I have the forum post cleaned up as an article to be posted. the forum post can be looked at(see below).

I have possible 'new knowledge' and am trying to get this knowledge

out to the public.

https://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewforum.php?id=2 then look for

“Possible ‘new knowledge’ by woodturner550

Is this proper to post and any guidance would be helpful. Woodturner550 (talk) 17:46, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

No original research is allowed here. Your forum post is best disseminated on some other more suitable platform actively soliciting such material. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 18:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

You may also be interested to know that your idea is not really new; using a clock as a source of random numbers is a well-known technique, but is rarely used in cryptographic applications because it produces very poor quality random numbers. The output of a clock is pretty predictable except for a small number of bits at the low end. See our article Random number generation which says "They are often initialized using a computer's real-time clock as the seed, since such a clock is 64 bit and measures in nanoseconds, far beyond the person's precision. These functions may provide enough randomness for certain tasks (for example video games) but are unsuitable where high-quality randomness is required, such as in cryptography applications, or statistics." CodeTalker (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I understand your point. You have not seen the output and you have already JUDGED this as nothing! If you want to see the supporting data email me. Cannot be a impartial judge of 'new knowledge' until you study the data. It is easy to say something but years of work to understand real random numbers.

Thanks for your comment.

woodturner550 204.195.24.212 (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

RealMRCarty

im trying to put myself as a artist for my fans to know more about me and would like the help of making this happen Jonathan Carty (talk) 19:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Jonathan Carty. Absolutely not. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia of notable topics, not an advertising platform. Please go elsewhere to promote yourself. Qcne (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Teahosue Hosts are here to advise, not be co-authors. And beware of commercial cites that promise to get drafts accepted - most of those are scams. Wikipedia advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO) and definitely does not exist for promotional efforts. Your draft was Speedy Deleted. If you are truely famous, in time a person with no connection to you will submit a draft about you. David notMD (talk) 03:25, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

well good day to you also im not trying to promote myself, im trying to put my life on black & white not promote so next time you speak to me know how your speaking because there many people also on wikipedia . as humans 87.214.89.24 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Use of DMCA protected material.

Hi! I'm looking to upload an image for an article that is protected by DMCA. I read the DMCA policy, which states that nonprofit library, archive and educational institutions are exempt, but I want to confirm the use of these images, and how I should upload them. Thanks, Lordseriouspig 22:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@Lordseriouspig: Non-free image use rules are at WP:NFCC. All criteria must be met to use a non-free image. RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

What to do with ongoing aggressive editing?

I don't know whether to call it edit warring, but the 2024 Parliament of Kenya assault page is undergoing quick changes (and lots of reverts).

From what I can tell, some user is using multiple IPs to vandalize the Wikipedia page linked above. User:Wiiformii and User:Thegreatluigi are currently "defending" the page. LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:17, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Update - just saw the request for page protection. I think this is a viable strategy for now. https://en.luquay.com/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#2024_Parliament_of_Kenya_assault LucasR muteacc (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The IP user has already been reported to Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism RudolfRed (talk) 23:27, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Alumnae

Another editor and I have a disagreement over at Wells College's talk page. There is a section on significant alums. the other editor wants them to have links supporting their significance; whereas I think that simply already having a Wikipedia entry is sufficient. What is the policy? Thanks. Kdammers (talk) 00:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

That talk page does not exist. Is there a typo in the link? Bduke (talk) 00:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I left off the S on Wells. I've added it. Kdammers (talk) 01:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Wells College. As Category:Wells College people already lists faculty and alumnae, unannotated lists would be pointless. I'd say that yes, each annotated entry should be referenced. -- Hoary (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Kdammers Please see WP:ALUMNI for the policy. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

But WP:ALUMNI is about articles about secondary schools, not tertiary ed. -- Hoary (talk) 11:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Does it specifically say that? I can only see "school" which also applies to colleges and universities in the US, and some teaching universities or colleges in the UK and elsewhere. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice. Take a look at the very first paragraph of that page. (What's written elsewhere about tertiary education may for all I know be the same. Perhaps I should check, but I plead laziness.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thanks. I've heard "alumni" or "alumnae" (here in the UK) applied to universities and colleges (e.g. [2]); the more recent trend for secondary schools or their equivalent to use it is inconsistent and less common. Bazza 7 (talk) 12:56, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Madison also tea What are they

Madisanal teas need list of them I'm morman no caffeine elder christopher 2603:8001:48F0:3110:9986:AC11:1AA6:DFC5 (talk) 05:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Elder Christopher! I think you're referring to medicinal teas (non-caffeinated list here). You're currently on a Wikipedia page designed for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, so if you're looking for more information, you might try the Reference Desk, where you can ask more general questions not specific to the encyclopedia. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 05:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

My first comment is that the Teahouse is intended for asking and answering questions about editing Wikipedia. That being said, you may be asking about "medicinal teas". Thar topic is covered at Herbal tea. You may also find Mormon foodways to be of interest. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

How can I submit a Wikipedia:Deletion review without being able to post to the talkpage of the remover?

https://en.luquay.com/wiki/User_talk:Drmies is restricted but the process of Wikipedia:Deletion review requires I post on User_talk:Drmies as Drmies was the remover of the page. The page deleted is "Down-ball" Rockycape (talk) 06:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hereby pinging Drmies. (If anyone's interested, this is about Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Down-ball, closed today.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Why does en.wikipedia lack the pro-Palestinian banners present on ar.wikipedia?

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Pretty self explanatory question. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 12:50, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Because the en and ar language Wikipedia are totally separate projects with no relation. Qcne (talk) 12:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Probably for the same reason that it does not have pro-Israel banners. Or pro-Russia or pro-Ukraine banners. Or pro-China or pro-Taiwan banners. Or pro-China or pro-Vietnam/Philippines banners. And reasonable people will be glad for all of that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Same non-profit organization though. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually it appears wikipedia is one project from what I'm reading. How do you explain why its a 'separate project with zero relation' simply based on language difference? Pretty bullshit answer Qcne. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Please don't make personal attacks. Different Wikipedias, while largely similar, operate independently, despite all being owned by the Wikimedia Foundation. Most editors who edit here have never made a single edit on Wikipedias in other languages. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

And you know that donation banner hits every fucking language. ROFL. 2600:1700:5661:3810:5834:66AC:5413:F3DB (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

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Lyrics

Hi!

I want to add lyrics in Dayar-e-shauq mera, but due to copyright issue, I can't. can anyone help me with this issue? Youknow? (talk) 13:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Short of all of us getting elected to our various national legislative bodies and changing the copyright laws, I'm not sure how we can do that. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Relevant links (as seen in a similar recent thread here): MOS:LYRICS and WP:LYRICS. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Watervliet

At this page, under “history” where the paragraph starts “As of February 2020…” there’s information about the police chiefs. I tried to add a page “Joseph L Centanni” that which would be a clickable link with additional information. I tried to use the tutorial to add it but it didn’t work. That said, I tried to link to the page but it still is not a “clean” look. Can you give me advice on how to fix it?

) TY!

Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Page link: Watervliet, New York Dcent0514 (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Dcent0514. We do not currently have an article on Joseph L. Centanni, so you cannot add a Wikilink to it. If you believe that Centanni meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so that there could be an article written about him, then you may add a Wikilink looking like [[Joseph L. Centanni]], which will display as Joseph L. Centanni - a redlink indicating that its destination does not currently exist.

If you mean a link to an external source, then no, we do not put external links in the text of an article. They may sometimes be added to an "external links" section at the end of an article, but there are restrictions on what links may be added, and it would not normally include information about a police chief. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I did the red link part :) and added content to it. It did say it doesn’t exist. Once I add content, how does it then become a “live” or blue link? Dcent0514 (talk) 17:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: When the page is created, the link will turn blue automatically, its part of the MediaWiki software "magic" RudolfRed (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I submitted it correctly :) it says it will be reviewed. Is it normal it is showing as regular black text until the page is approved? Dcent0514 (talk) 18:20, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: It is black because user @Magnolia677: undid your edit that added the Wikilink. RudolfRed (talk) 18:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Why did @Magnolia677 undo my edit?

Is my page still submitted?

It’s confusing so I’m just checking :) TY! Dcent0514 (talk) 18:59, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

You submitted your draft, but it has been declined, as you can see in the message on your user talk page (and a message from the editor who undid your link, explaining why).

Wikipedia only hosts articles about subjects which meet its criteria for notability - which generally means that there is enough independent reliably published material about them to base an article on.

Your single source is not enough to establish that - and though it does appear to be reliable, and is partly independent of him, it seems to be pretty run of the mill coverage of an officer. What is it about him that makes him notable? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dcent0514: Draft:Joseph_L._Centanni is still submitted, as you can see by the note at the top of the page RudolfRed (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

WHERE IS MY ARTICLE?

I wrote an excellent article but I can't find it ΡΑΝΕΤΙΚΟ (talk) 17:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

NOTE: User account deleted as a sock/troll. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:53, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikiquestion

What's that itch I get when I'm on vacation and still want to edit Wikipedia even after I've written and published all of my unfinished drafts? (not sure if this is the right place to ask this) TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 19:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

i don't know if it's good or bad that there might actually be an answer, but wp:addiction might be it

write your will, for it may already be too late cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

on acronyms

this might be the single stupidest question i've had to ask for the stupidest possible situation (probably editing a single letter in slapstick (disambiguation))and i'm honestly ready for the stupidest answer possible

is there something in any manual of style about whether certain acronyms that start with consonant sounds if pronounced like acronyms or vowel sounds if pronounced like words (or vice versa), like snes and lolk, should be written as if they were pronounced like acronyms or words? cogsan _{(nag me) (stalk me)} 20:11, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not a stupid question. But it's not one to worry about. Just write it in the way that feels best you to you. There are people with strong views about such things; just relax and let them sort it out and possibly argue with each other about it. Maproom (talk) 20:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Creating a page for someone I know

Hello,

I've been meaning to create a page for a scientist who passed away, who has been in Elsevier's most impactful scientists for four years in a row, and has diagnosed a disease that is listed on Wikipedia (this page is not in English unfortunately). Because I know this person and I am related to them, I've been hesitant to create their page on my own, because I read that it may be against the rules. Should I do this, or if possible, can I suggest that someone does this?

Thank you, Bahar Bhrsnr (talk) 20:18, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bhrsnr. Thanks for disclosing your conflict of interest. Wikipedia established the Articles for Creation process that allows you to write a draft article that will be reviewed by experienced editors. Please understand that an acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes published reliable sources, so you need to "forget" or set aside anything you know about your relative. The notability guideline for academics is important. Your first article offers some useful advice. Cullen328 (talk) 20:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

db-spam|help=off - How to solve

I created a page for myself. I am newbie and trying to update some missing info. but i got this meesage. How can i solve it? Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 20:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Yagizyavuzyildiz. You can click the blue button to contest the deletion. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Writing an article about yourself is not a good idea. WP:NBASKETBALL is also worth reading. Cullen328 (talk) 20:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I really appreciate your reply. I Clicked the blue button and provided why it should not be deleted.

I hope if you can check..

Best Regards, Yagizyavuzyildiz (talk) 21:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)