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Syrian origin ?[edit]

The Khwam family is of Syrian origin.

I found this source that says her parents were Syrians

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/politics/a975/david-petraeus-scandal-kelley-sisters/

[[Sélim Khawam]] Whatsupkarren (talk) 17:14, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose a total reboot[edit]

If a few people are happy to work alongside me, I propose we pare this article back to a stub and line by line rebuilding using only quality references from reliable sources and very neutral language. It's languished for a long time with the COI-editing tag, even though the subject says it isn't true (I have no other information about that) and up above I see a lot of contentious back and forth rather than calm Wikipedia-style work to make a decent unbiased biography.

I plan to wait for comments until Thursday, and then decide next steps for whether I'll launch into this myself.

I have no conflict of interest here. Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would be happy to help, Jimbo. I have no conflict of interest. = paul2520 💬 14:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Should be fun! I hope to get some free time later this week but it could be next week - London Tech Week this week and lots to do.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I dug into the history a bit, including reviewing frequent editors and learning more about Kelley and . There's a long history & several sockpuppet accounts have touched the page. Suffice it to say, the total reboot idea is valid.

I can't say I've done a total rework (at least not of an article this long), but am excited to collaborate on this.

Here's a tentative plan:

one of us starts Draft:Jill Kelley as if it were a new article, leveraging sources from this article or via new searches
once that article is in a reasonable state, replace the contents of this article & redirect the draft

make sure the edit summary references Draft:Jill Kelley and/or this talk page (perhaps rewrite due to COI/UPE; see [[Draft:Jill Kelley]] and [[Talk:Jill Kelley]] for more context)

I'm happy to get started on this, possibly as early as tonight or tomorrow. = paul2520 💬 14:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimbo Wales: I started Draft:Jill Kelley, and would appreciate you reviewing/contributing. I've been more focused on the Bio thus far, which still needs more content. I started a Controversies section, and think both subsections could be expanded.

I will keep expanding as I can. = paul2520 💬 22:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Status update: the draft is at 577 words, compared to 1153 words in the original. I know there are some topics that aren't yet in the draft, and the Petraeus scandal section could definitely be expanded in the draft.

I'm also wondering how to expand the lead. For one thing, should I add the word "entrepreneur" or otherwise mention that she has founded several companies/organizations? = paul2520 💬 01:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jimbo Wales: thoughts on me replacing the current article with the contents of the draft page, then continuing work here? = paul2520 💬 15:30, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]